Saturday, October 18, 2008

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Question Of The Week


How do I reconcile

1) Abraham's teachings that struggle can only lead to more struggle...no joy...and if things don't flow, they aren't "meant to be"

with

2)The concept of the hero's journey of being tested and struggling through the challenges to an ultimate joy/victory...Staying The Course, believing and keeping on no matter what it looks like on the oustide....
???????

Pondering....
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7 comments:

Warrior said...

Simple, taken out of context, Abraham is wrong. Nothing in nature flows without having to overcome obstacles... Overcoming obstacles are the 'struggle' of the hero's journey. Flow doesn't necessarily mean flat featureless and smooth either....

Anonymous said...

Hey Pamm....
what if "staying the course" is embracing the joy...the interruptions in flow are often created within our own minds...

"believing and keeping on no matter what it look like on the outside" is just about what I hear when Abe says to "not face reality unless it is as you want it to be"...

I don't know.
I'm glad to see you! It seems I lost you for awhile...

Pamm said...

Hey...happy to hear you both and I'm listening and learning. Thanks!

Greenwoman said...

A question that's visited my heart at times too.

About six years ago, I arrived at a conclusion that life had given me hints too many times.

It seems like it should be only one or the other value is true.

However, I dont' think life works like that. I think it is a rainbow bridge between the two values...I think that it is true that if the core of you is in turmoil, there will be no joy, no happiness and no accomplishment of your soul's purpose. But outward struggles? Well those are indeed the stuff of which I am taught and honed into a fine tool for Spirit to pick up and use...for others to avail themselves of.

I think that the rainbow bridge between the two is always illumined by following your peace.

I find that by sitting in my center, dropping in what's next questions and then seeing where the energy of peace draws me...because it will ever so gently pull toward something. If I follow that peace, both values remain ever constant and true.

((hugs))

I AM ANOTHER said...

humm,what comes up for me is that the perception of this flow is in my mind. it's flowing always but is it flowing in the direction I want? I can't choose the direction the river flows but I can choose to get into it and float along or not. Or I can choose to get in and paddle upstream. How much energy do I have? I've created a lot in this life by pure force of will, using my muscles of tenacity. It's one way to create. But it's so difficult and in the end, not always a place, I discover, that I want to be.

This so-called flow seems to be related to my resistence. If I'm resisting something, then it isn't flowing...I resist things when I'm attached to something being different than it is. I'm also unhappy with the current state of affairs.

So the hero's journey huh. Well, I feel like I've been on one of those too. Fuck. Hell if I know how to answer this one dearheart. My hero's journey seems to be to keep opening to love. Open, open and open more and when I resist and my heart slams shut, then to open it more. Life circumstances and other people don't always make this easy.

But if I'm waiting around for someone to be different then I don't think that is part of the heros journey. That's stupidity.

So, if i accept things as they are and move on with my life to get more of want I want then that's the hero's journey. It's not about struggling against the flow.

I'm rambling and babbling but I'm trying to make sense of this as I move along here...so... If I choose to get into the river then I sure as hell am not interested in paddling upstream. I'll just wear myself out. That's different than being in some white water rapids. But there has got to be enought joy and adventure along the way that may the rapids worth it for me. So if the ride is enjoyable enough and I'm getting my thrills, why not, as long as I don't end up in a really crappy place like at the rocky bottom of a dangerous waterfall.

The hero's journey has to go with the flow too, even if it is a rocky ride. So, if I can handle the ride without getting freaked out (too freaked out to enjoy it) then sure, take it.)

So in sticking with Abraham, isn't this the definition of if it isn't flowing easy, it isn't meant to be? Do I possess the skills to handle it?

something like that.

Mark said...

Great question. Abraham's wisdom is correct, the other appeals to us because of the romance of the struggle.

Pamm said...

We do get stuck in our romanticism, yes, Mark?

I had been thinking about this before writing, partially also triggered by listening to "The Alchemist" as a book on tape. (it had been a very long time since I had read it so was interested again).

In it, he talks about The Soul Of The World, "testing" us when there is something we want. It was kind of the same thing.

Anyway...thanks for stopping by.